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    Projecting onto Glass

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    • SkulptureS
      Skulpture Izzy Guru
      last edited by

      If the project goes ahead it will be in an art gallery and/or museum.

      Very expensive collections in glass cabinets. Some air tight. Various sizes but none of them huge (less than 4ft across)
      My idea was to use small projectors located in front of the glass and projecting onto small areas of the glass cases with information, short videos, some branding, etc. 
      The scrim sounds good; i'd heard of that before but forgot about it, thanks.

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      • MichelM
        Michel Izzy Guru
        last edited by

        Also worth looking at.
        http://www.ssidisplays.com/rear-projection-film/intrigue

        Best,
        Michel

        Michel Weber | www.filmprojekt.ch | rMBP (2019) i9, 16gig, AMD 5500M 8 GB, OS X 10.15 | located in Winterthur Switzerland.

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        • MatthewHM
          MatthewH Beta Tester
          last edited by

          Does it need to be glass or would something like half frosted acrylic work? That would be cheaper and much easier to handle and install than frosted glass. Available in sheets up to 4'x8' and I have used it as an RP surface before with good results.

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          • keftapartyK
            keftaparty
            last edited by

            Hi,

            I did some experimentations and shows projecting on frost plexiglass.
            I can give only one advice: 
            Try every material in the exact situation it will be used !
            I had one very bad experience: I tried one material with a long zoom projector, the image was ok.
            But at the end I had to use a wide angle projector. The center of the image was perfect, but all around the light was arriving on the surface with too much angle and was impossible to see !
            Also take care to the angle the "spectators" will have, with that kind of shiny surfaces you get very differrent results depending on the point of view.
            Have fun !
            Best
            Mehdi

            ...
            Mehdi Toutain-Lopez
            www.toutain-lopez.com

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            • CitizenJoeC
              CitizenJoe
              last edited by

              @Skulpture - It sounds like a really interesting project!

              Given the situation, I would be inclined to go towards the really expensive films.  In small quantities they may be affordable and they will provide a good projection surface.  Most importantly, they won't affect how the viewer sees what's inside the case.  I would think that would be the #1 consideration from the museum's point of view.

              Cheers,

              Hugh

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              1. new laptop: Dell 7560, i9 11950H, 64 gigs, NVIDIA RTX A4000 w/8 GB GDDR6
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              • D
                dansnodgrass
                last edited by

                @skulpture.  If your prerequisite is to be able to see a sharp image and still have the glass to be transparent, there is really only one solution and it's expensive: HoloPro. Similar glass was used in the movie Minority Report.

                I installed and use an 8' wide HoloPro glass panel at my company for presentation purposes and it's amazing. To get clarity and transparency of glass, embedded holographic foil is really the only solution.  Otherwise, you need to go with rear-projection film (and of course, this means you won't get the transparency.
                Cheers.
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                • D
                  dansnodgrass
                  last edited by

                  Here is our installation:

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                  • particlepP
                    particlep
                    last edited by

                    this is an interesting thread.  i did some searching and found this uk outfit:

                    http://www.prodisplay.com/index.html
                    lcd glass is great, but does it go clear enough for a museum setting?

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                    • VictreuxV
                      Victreux
                      last edited by

                      Hello,

                      Some friends was worked on this show in Avignon. Verry cool projection on glass!

                      http://www.theatre-video.net/video/Le-Livre-d-or-de-Jan-extrait-video

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                      • SkulptureS
                        Skulpture Izzy Guru
                        last edited by

                        All brilliant stuff thanks all!

                        You've all really helped me out and given me lots to think about. 

                        Graham Thorne | www.grahamthorne.co.uk
                        RIG 1: Windows 11, AMD 7 Ryzen, RTX3070, 16gig RAM. 2 x M.2 SSD. HD. Lenovo Legion 5 gaming laptop.
                        RIG 2: Windows 11, Intel i19 12th Gen. RTX3070ti, 16gig RAM (ddr5), 1x M.2 SSD. UHD DELL G15 Gaming laptop.
                        RIG 3: Apple rMBP i7, 8gig RAM 256 SSD, HD, OS X 10.12.12

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                        • SkulptureS
                          Skulpture Izzy Guru
                          last edited by

                          @dansnodgrass the HoloPro is amazing and looks stunning but yes you are right... very expensive.

                          Graham Thorne | www.grahamthorne.co.uk
                          RIG 1: Windows 11, AMD 7 Ryzen, RTX3070, 16gig RAM. 2 x M.2 SSD. HD. Lenovo Legion 5 gaming laptop.
                          RIG 2: Windows 11, Intel i19 12th Gen. RTX3070ti, 16gig RAM (ddr5), 1x M.2 SSD. UHD DELL G15 Gaming laptop.
                          RIG 3: Apple rMBP i7, 8gig RAM 256 SSD, HD, OS X 10.12.12

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                            dansnodgrass
                            last edited by

                            You'll also notice in the picture of the HoloPro, that the woman is interacting with the presentation.  This is facilitated through the use of the VIP Interactive TouchFoil produced by Visual Planet (and not available at a store near you for about $10,000 - for the 3'x8' foil you see in use here.)

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                            • mickeyM
                              mickey
                              last edited by

                              ..projection on glass

                              ORGANIC
                              for the low tech end  (and of course budget) try buttermilk: applied thin with a foam paint roller it will dry after approx. 20 minutes (3 time s). it's a charming. try it before applying at the flagstore ,-).
                              and you can accentuate the vintage look with a brush etc, get a cleaner look with  airbrush (?)...   just  experiment!.. removes with water

                              PLASIC
                              (low end) we used to take frosted sandblast foils - they're not soo expensive and easy to remove. get some sample and try

                              have fun mickey

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