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    Audio Features for Isadora: What Do You Want?

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    • kdobbeK
      kdobbe
      last edited by

      Audio and Timeline


      I know this would be a FUTURE request; but for me one of the most important features missing in Isadora is the concept of timeline and events.  Audio and Video are to me obvious ways in which to implement this approach to Izzy.

      I would love to be able to synchronize multiple events (triggers of numerous media, controllers, etc) in exact relationship to TIME.  

      If the audio or video had a correlated grid where one could place multiple events, my live performance creations would progress dramatically with less programing time.

      If any of you recall Macromedia Director program (long gone) that interface was then absorbed into Flash.  This timeline based software is incredibly powerful but does not have the flexibility and programming possibilities that Izzy has.  To me, if this were added to Izzy... it would move Izzy into a new category of usability.

      My 2 cents worth 🙂

      Mac Studio M2-Ultra, MacBook Pro M1 Ultra. OSX-14.1.2

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      • WolandW
        Woland Tech Staff @kdobbe
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        @kdobbe said:

        one of the most important features missing in Isadora is the concept of timeline and events. 

        Isadora is Scene-based and while it can do linear-cueing, it's not timeline-based linear cueing. In turn this allows for greater flexibility and the possibility to do non-linear cueing. "Events" though can be created with Timer actors, Trigger Delay actors, Clock actors, Comparators, etc.

        @kdobbe said:

        I would love to be able to synchronize multiple events (triggers of numerous media, controllers, etc) in exact relationship to TIME.

        You can build your show to run off of time. It's not a graphical timeline interface, but there's the Timecode Comparator (and the afore-mentioned actors).

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        • markM
          mark
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          Dear All,

          Some of you might be happy to see what I got working in Windows today. 😉

          Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
          Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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            deflost @mark
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            @mark

            thx.

            r.h.

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            • anibalzorrillaA
              anibalzorrilla @mark
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              @mark in PD is implemented the ambisonic system for sound spatialization, but clearly it is not a priority. I am very glad for your fantastic work, best!

              Anibal Zorrilla, https://intad1.wordpress.com. Buenos Aires, Argentina.
              Laptop OMEN, Win 10 64-bit, Intel Core i7 7700HQ @ 2.80GHz, 4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 (HP), 12 gig RAM

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              • FredF
                Fred @mark
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                @mark I want to generate a few tests that relate to some work I was trying to acheive, here is the first:

                https://www.dropbox.com/s/wdrx...

                It is a 16 channel audio file, wav format 24 bit, 48k interleaved. The channels have a rising burst of tone and only one channel has sound at a time, it cycles through the channels one at a time a few times. Will this work with the setup you are developing?

                http://www.fredrodrigues.net/
                https://github.com/fred-dev
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                • markM
                  mark @Fred
                  last edited by mark

                  @fred said:

                  t is a 16 channel audio file, wav format 24 bit, 48k interleaved. The channels have a rising burst of tone and only one channel has sound at a time, it cycles through the channels one at a time a few times. Will this work with the setup you are developing?

                  @Fred  

                  You can find the answer to your quesiton in this video link. 😉 Note that the speed is set to 2x so the whole sequence goes by faster.

                  Best Wishes,
                  Mark

                  P.S. To be honest, it didn't work it until I updated the WAVE parser to understand the WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE structure used in this file -- but it was a only 10 minute job. I'm glad you send the test file along. 😉

                  Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                  Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                  • FredF
                    Fred @mark
                    last edited by

                    @mark that's amazing!!

                    I curious about working with video files as well. Do you think it could read the same if it was part of a hap AVI? I can try make one tomorrow if it is worth a try. Virtual dub should let me does this pretty easily.

                    http://www.fredrodrigues.net/
                    https://github.com/fred-dev
                    OSX 10.15.15 MBP 2019 16" 2.3 GHz 8-Core i9, Radeon Pro 5500M 8 GB, 32g RAM
                    Windows 10 7700K, GTX 1080ti, 32g RAM, 2tb raided SSD
                    Windows 10 Threadripper 3960x 64g ram, 1tb NVME, rtx 2080ti + rtx2070 super

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                    • markM
                      mark
                      last edited by Woland

                      @fred said:

                      I curious about working with video files as well. Do you think it could read the same if it was part of a hap AVI?

                      As mentioned previously, no work has been done on the video side of this. We're going to get the audio part out to beta testers first, and once we've used that to review the user interface and how it all feels, we'll dig in to the video part.

                      But in theory, yes, it's going to work the same. But you shouldn't expect to try it immediately.

                      Best Wishes,
                      Mark

                      Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                      Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                        project-o-matic
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                        Beat Detection
                        OMG beat Detection 

                        "network radio/broadcast" - I've been using vban(voicemeeter audio network) to create point to point audio tunnels and I think there's better functionality built into izzy so I'm sorry if this is my lack of knowledge but ...
                        (relating to vban) I would prefer to be able to broadcast the audio without a static destination and pick it up in other machines without the need to specify the destination from the source (maybe I haven't looked hard enough, this may be a feature already

                        I don't know if this is exactly an audio feature.. but this is my biggest desire in Isadora.. *blush* sure I know I shouldn't rely on it so much but oh my please Mr. Coniglio:

                        milkdrop avs+spout (projectM) support built directly in to izzy (even as a plugin)
                        - expandable with some of the advanced preset editing options in node format for non-programmer-peoples
                        --even rudimentary controls to manipulate waveform size color sprite etc.,  
                        Winamp works fine but it's no longer supported and adds overhead/cpu/gpu, potential vulnerability and could be streamlined without needing another application/spout/NDI  Video connection
                        ** and add DYNAMIC PRESET CONTROLLING right in izzy 🙏

                        having to click on the Winamp vis window then hit space/scroll/back just kills me - I've never found a workaround

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