[ANSWERED] Dante and Isadora?

[Fred]

@woland what would be the advantage of having anything built in? The virtual sound card is chape and works perfectly. What would the integration mean that we cannot get using DVS?

[Woland]

@fred

I don’t know, I’m really not familiar with how Dante works because I don’t work with audio often. All I know is that people were asking for the feature so we put some effort into communicating with Audinate to see what it would take to make it happen.

I’m honestly really glad to hear, especially from such an experienced member of the community, that there’s a perfectly good workflow without native support for Dante in Isadora though

[Fred]

@woland I took a look at the Dante enabled products on the Audinate website and there is very little software and it’s vert specific. 

I would guess the requests to have Dante enabled software are misguided, from folks that might not understand the system. Even the biggest media servers just use the DVS. 

Full integration is for very specific use cases, and mostly hardware. The whole idea is that it’s a sound card and that’s how it’s meant to work. 

@paz and @armando

What do you imagine that Dante compatible would do other than mean you don’t buy the DVS?

Do you know any other software that is Dante enabled? If so what does it do?

[Paz]

@fred you are absolutely correct with your view point. Dante DVS works!

It was more a case that I would prefer to invest my money in TroikaTronix than Audinate. 

Currently I use DVS which costs approx £70 per licence (each computer requires it's own licence - this gets costly in education establishment). Having a TroikaTronix Dante actor similar to the NDI 5 actor that can offer both audio and video channels - Dante AV - would open up potential opportunities for integration into a system without the need for the additional Audinate software.

@woland your points about Dante's cost implementation into Isadora are completely understood and I appreciate Audinate DVS is the way forward. 

Best wishes, Simon

[Fred]

@paz wow brexit really took its toll, it is €54 from the EU that would be- £46 (for the simple licence). I am guessing the extra is a brexit tax.

I do understand the cost, and likely in an institution, just the pain of having to manage another licence. Looking at the landscape of Dante products, it seems only hardware tools have the Dante enabled built in structure - these hardware tools often run some kind of OS underneath so it is a bit confusing. I am really surprised Audinate have not released an Enterprise model for bulk licencing. For the cost however, havign Dante enabled mixing desks and some other IO gear mostly works out cheaper than getting soundcards.

I can also imagine this would be an annoying scenario to build with - you would want to test and setup your project with a normal sound setup, like headphones and then when you go to plug into a system you have to rebuild (or double build on the fly). As isadoras audio routing is only for audio files, there isnt much to plug in to an audio out node as yet either.

On another note Dante AV is a thing, but its pretty clunky. The video part of Dante only works on windows, and Dante studio, that deals with the video, needs to run separetly to the DVS audio stuff. I am guessing they will get things going cross platform and smoothly integrated some time in the future, but for now NDI is way beter for video.

[Paz]

@fred Thank you for the in depth response your wise words are very helpful. 

Regarding the cost, I had originally purchased DVS at the lower price you quoted, but then had to buy an additional transferable licence which costs approx £70 to enable me to swap my DVS licence between computers.

Thanks again and best wishes!

[Armando]

@woland I get it I'll link a post to MPEG H audio over ethernet.... Soon more on that

[Armando]

@fred You are right Fred, I don't know well the system, but I have been to a AV expo where I talked to Audinate people quite a bit. And they pushed for it telling that when embedded in a software it could now bring together AES50 (Music Tribe, therefore Midas, Behringer etc...) Plus AES 67 (opensource dante-like protocol. But You are right, as I said, I don't know it well. The idea that in Isadora we might have a unified system for the 3 protocols is interesting.  

[lwebster]

@kirschkematthias Thank you so much! So, we just need the DVS and the free app, not a network adapter?

[lwebster]

@fred Thank you! Another person said they just needed the DVS and a free controller app - but in your experience, we also need to purchase a network adapter?

[Fred]

@lwebster you can’t use wifi so if your computer doesn’t have a network port you need the Ethernet adapter. 

[lwebster]

@fred Oh I see, so it can be any adapter to hardwire into ethernet, it doesn't have to be one of Dante's AVIO networking adaptors?

[Armando]

@lwebster Yes

[lwebster]

@armando Gotcha, thank you!