Stage Scale Actor Question

[montana]

I am experiencing a reframing of the stage when I dissolve between two scenes that each have a Stage Scale actor in them. The actors  both have the same parameters and are set to local. It's almost like the transition is reading the "normal" layout that was there before the stage scale actor was added and is then re-correcting once it finishes the dissolve. This only happens when I am going between scenes which each have the actor. 

 I am working with a triple head matrox and a mac laptop. 

[DusX]

@montana

As a test, set the 'mode' to Global in the first of the 2 scenes, and try the dissolve then.
Is it any different?

[montana]

@dusx

That fixes it but makes all scenes the same. I have about 1/3 of the scenes that use the stage scaler and the others are mapped through Izzy maps. If I make it global all of my other mapping is off. I would love to be able to just link the two scenes as one when they're next to each other? I know I can through the control panel but that isn't affecting the scenes themselves, I assume.

[DusX]

@montana

I suppose you could put the Stage scaler in a secondary scene, and have it active during both of those scenes.

I would love a simple demo file of your usage, and the problem. If I can see the issue in Isadora 2.6 I can see if it can be addressed for the next version.

[montana]

@dusxThanks I’ll give that a try. I’ve got a dress rehearsal tonight but I’ll get a demo file to you as soon as I can. Thanks for the help. 

[montana]

@dusx Here is a link to the demo file. Thanks again.

[DusX]

@montana said:

@dusx Here is a link to the demo file. Thanks again.

 so strange, on Windows, everytime I download the zip, its a 28mb download, and its empty. (same if I transfer to my DropBox)

[mark_m]

@dusx said:

so strange, on Windows, everytime I download the zip, its a 28mb download, and its empty. (same if I transfer to my DropBox)

 Ryan, the download is working OK for me on Windows. I just click (not left click) the link above, and it opens in Dropbox, and from there I can download it or save it to my Dropbox...

[DusX]

@mark_m

can you see the files inside... I only see a _macosx folder.. and nothing inside.

[mark_m]

@dusx

Yeah, I can see it all OK. I'll zip it up again and DM you a link.

[DusX]

@mark_m

got it thanks.

[DusX]

@montana

So another quick solution to your Issue is changing the layering type for the project.
Under the File menu, there is an option for 'Layering'.
The default is 'grouped by scene'. This is a new setting (was not in Isadora 1.x), and it allows 'cinematic' crossfades (very even throughout). Basically is flattens each scene and mixes the composites.
The other option 'layered' allows for some very interesting layer cross mixing (each scene maintains its layering and they come together according to the layer numbers), and scene ordering.

The 'layered' option doesn't resize after the mix in the way you are experiencing, and may be an option forward for you.

[montana]

Cool. I'lll give that a try. 

[montana]

@dusx

That did it. Fantastic. It doesn't seem to have affected any other scenes in terms of their mapping, so that's great. I'm interested in what you said related to the Layering choices. I don't really get the principles underlying the "Group by Scenes" and "Ungrouped" modes. Is there anything in the User Manual or online that goes into this more? I haven't found it yet .

[DusX]

@montana

'Group by scene' is the easiest to understand. When transitioning between scenes, each scene is flattened into 1 image, and the 2 images are cross-faded.
'Ungrouped' allows each scene to have multiple layers, with multiple blend modes... when transitioning between scenes these layers are mixed into each other, like interleaving your fingers together... all according to the defined layers.
You can for example have a case where, Scene 1 has a background that is Opaque (layer 0), and a overlay that is added Additive (layer 2), and Scene 2 only has an image that is added Opaque (layer 1).
When you transition between scenes, Scene 2's Opaque image will block out the background of Scene 1, while Scene 2s overlay will be added additive over Scene 1s image, until the transition completes.

Hope that makes some sense... it is a little hard to describe, especially since each is fading in and out during the transitions.
In the End, Ungrouped sort of allows the content of one scene inter mingle with the content of the next scene during transitions. This can be used for some very nice effects.
While Grouped by scene, makes for the most steady/reliably smooth transitions.

[Woland]

Another option: you don't need to worry about inter-scene layering if you keep a background Scene for your Projector actors (one for each stage and then extras as needed for specialized mapping) and then route all your video back into that Global Mapping Scene: https://community.troikatronix.com/topic/5495/global-projection-mapping-simple-show-template