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    Midi controllers and Isadora control panels

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    • J
      jtsteph
      last edited by

      Fypy, I will have a look at this again. Thanks for your comment on the "metaphoric" nature of broadcasting and listening. It is useful and made the communication scholar part of me laugh - "how true", I thought.

      I suppose what I could match the CTL numbers to the broadcaster numbers. This would let me map out my Midi controller user actor and the accompanying Control Panel. This way I would not even need to refer back to a legend, just to the controller CTL ids.
      I wonder how heavy the Broadcast/Listen actors are compared to direct connection.
      Hmmm. I will report back.
      - J

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      • markM
        mark
        last edited by

        Dear Jsteph,

        Note however that there is some overhead with Broadcasters and Listeners. I would not use them to replace links between actors.
        Best Wishes,
        Mark

        Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
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        • DusXD
          DusX Tech Staff
          last edited by

          @Mark
          How much overhead is there?
          I have used them rather heavily in my SYST3M mixer (http://www.dusxproductions.com/blog/alpha-release/) as a method of making user linkable (via the control panel) modules. In SYST3M I might have as many as 30 broadcast and listen pairs active at one time (if I am running DMX and video together).
          What type of overhead/delay might this cause?
          I ask because I am reworking the framework in hopes of having it ready for the next Isadora release.

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          • fypyF
            fypy
            last edited by

            Dear Mark, i really wonder why you say it is "overhead", and my undersanding of english is not good enough to see what you mean.... I never had problems with this way to do... Maybe it´s because i use Broadcast/listen just for the controller's links, with simple and discrete data flow...

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            • J
              jtsteph
              last edited by

              Fypy, How many Broadcast/Listen pairs are you working with?

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              • fypyF
                fypy
                last edited by

                jtsteph, about 10 Broadcasters and 20 receivers. Not that mutch... Mark, for me as a french guy in the music business, "overhead" is the way you put microphones above a drummer, or a group of violins, to catch the ambiance ; and the litteral translation is "au-dessus", like "above" is... That is why I don't unserstand...

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                • SkulptureS
                  Skulpture Izzy Guru
                  last edited by

                  @fypy Mark will mean some extra processing/CPU I think. How much I am not so sure.

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                  • markM
                    mark
                    last edited by

                    Dear All,

                    10 or 20 is no problem. It's when you have 100s that it might start to have an impact.
                    Best Wishes,
                    Mark

                    Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
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                    • J
                      jtsteph
                      last edited by

                      Mark, Are they processed if they are unpaired? For example, if I layout 100 senders but only use 10 receivers will all of the senders still be processed?

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                      • fypyF
                        fypy
                        last edited by

                        Hi everybody I was reading the entire discussion, and noticed that we are all using some "tricks" to distribute, or organise, or dispatch signals or datas in our patches. Mark uses user actors builted with one user input connected with one user output, and that's all, to act like a node, Mathew uses router actor with only one output, and it seems as strange as a switch on a single rail, I often use broadcast/listen on same pages, or use delay triggers with 0 seconds delay (look strange, uh ?) Like Mathew and Justin said, I think there is a missing actor... I imagine it like a "Patch" Actor, like in studios, with virtual and "wireless" invisible cables, let start with 128 (!...). On the left, a choice of the number of the inputs (from 0 to 128), and the numerical value of each, and the same for the outputs. No needs to have labels, we can use Comments on the side. And every input using "match property" function. What do you think of it ? fypy

                        French composer for the theater, the movies, and other
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                        • fypyF
                          fypy
                          last edited by

                          "Patchbay" actor could be the proper name...

                          French composer for the theater, the movies, and other
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                          • markM
                            mark
                            last edited by

                            Dear Jsteph,

                            RE this question "Mark, Are they processed if they are unpaired? For example, if I layout 100 senders but only use 10 receivers will all of the senders still be processed?" -- the answer is no. And actually, there is no penalty incurred if no Listener actors are actively sending. It's only when a value is passed into the Listener that it, and it's accompanying receiver(s), do any work.
                            Best Wishes,
                            Mark

                            Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                            Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                            • J
                              jtsteph
                              last edited by

                              Thanks, Mark. This is perfect for my use. I have lots of buttons on my controllers - some of them better for certain purposes - but I find I use maybe a dozen per scene, if that many. This will let me wire up the whole controller and then simply use what I need without incurring additional processing.

                              Thanks again for your input. I will post up my mapping when it's done!

                              Best,

                              • Justin

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                              • J
                                jtsteph
                                last edited by

                                Hi All,

                                I have finished my Midi Map for the Berhinger CMD MM-1 and CMD LC-1. I've played with it a bunch but it has not been thoroughly tested.

                                I thought I would share it here in hopes that someone will find it useful and also to see if anyone had any feedback for me. I not 100% that I am implementing the toggling for the buttons correctly.

                                All the best.

                                • Justin
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