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    • markM
      mark
      last edited by

      Dear @gapworks,

      A very challenging problem. One way would be to create a small movie that showed the flipping letters. Then you could scrub the position input to get to the right letter.
      Maybe the attached example file might provide some inspiration to continue.
      It uses the 3D Projector and some relatively nerdtastic programming to simulate the flipping letters. To try it, open the file, show the stage, and press the letter's 'a', 's' or 'd'. You can see that the Text Chopper is pulling out the individual letters, and then passing them to the Flip Letter. Inside this user actor is where the tricky programming is. Not sure if it's worth trying to explain it all... if someone wants me to go into it, let me know.
      Anyway, not exactly the right look, but pretty close. (And it was fun to stop adding features/fixing bugs for a second to see how close I could get. 😉 )
      Best Wishes,
      Mark
      P.S. Please excuse the self-congratulatory nature of the text, tee hee. 😉

      7f75c8-text-flip.izz

      Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
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      • DusXD
        DusX Tech Staff
        last edited by

        This is very cool @mark.

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        • SkulptureS
          Skulpture Izzy Guru
          last edited by

          Yeah thats pretty awesome... Mark always has to show us up! hehe 😉

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          • gapworksG
            gapworks
            last edited by

            @ Mark..You certainly deserve the "the self-congratulatory nature of the text" your Patch is simply amazing!! I probably have to come back to you at some point. I figured 

            most the stuff i need to change but have not managed yet to turn it into a "5 liner" but lets see .Anyway many thanx, 
            best
            p.
            ps: We should challenge you more often i think 🙂

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            • gapworksG
              gapworks
              last edited by

              dear@ mark

              and others
              i extended your patch a little. more characters in a different size ect. 2 problems here 😞 I extended the lookupactor for more options (1,2,3…incl + and - ) ascii# i found on the internet, but the
              patch won´t read it 😞 and second i need a 4 Liner. so i added a y-position to your flip text, but when i copy and paste the moment i shift it down the letters look really odd and behave in a strange way.
              any help highly appreciated
              best
               ps: i attached my file which i extended from marks original!

              5ac8da-text-flipx.izz

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              • gapworksG
                gapworks
                last edited by

                i´m running out of time here, i need to solve this by the end of next week. Any help truly appreciated. 2 things i can´t solve!

                the 5 liner and the ability of displaying numbers 1-9 , 0 ,+ and -

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                • MichelM
                  Michel Izzy Guru
                  last edited by

                  @gapworks

                  Had about 2 hours to get it work. First had to look at how Mark setup the logic.

                  Best Michel
                  5cd222-text-flip5lines.izz

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                  • gapworksG
                    gapworks
                    last edited by

                    @ michel, thanx a lot for your effort! but unfortunately i still only see 1 line 😞 letters a,s,d,f,g only trigger the top flip text modules. row 2 -5 is not visible. am i doing something wrong?

                    and what did i do wrong with the extra characters in the lookup actor? 
                    best

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                    • MichelM
                      Michel Izzy Guru
                      last edited by

                      @gapworks

                      Sorry I did not look at you patch before, as I am seeing you put the extra characters into the "lookup" actor but not to the "table" actor.

                      Oh no, I just realized that the version I have the 3d projector has the option to set the destination to the stage (thats the standard for version 2.0.5) or to the renderer, thats where the 3d renderer comes to play. There is another way of doing the same effect, but for that you need to activate all 6 stages and send the first 5 via syphon to stage 6.

                      attached is a screen recording of the patch working, because of recording the complete desktop the framerate falls down to 6.5, without screen recording it only falls down to 23 when frame rate set to 25.

                      Go into preferences-->video and change the settings to "scale to smallest Image"?

                      New version with syphon attached.

                      Best Michel

                      89d289-5lines.mp4.zip b47623-text-flip5linessyphon.izz

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                      • gapworksG
                        gapworks
                        last edited by

                        @ michel , we still have a little problem here. opening the file a message pops up " syphon receiver not found" but i think this is why i still only see 1 line 😞

                        i installed the latest free frame bundle,  latest Isadora and on osx 10.9.5\. i was checking the syphon site but just could not find this plugin.
                        best
                        p

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                        • MichelM
                          Michel Izzy Guru
                          last edited by

                          @gapwoks

                          Well then just replace it with for example the "syphon to video" actor and point every one to the different isadora syphon stages.

                          Best Michel

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                          • gapworksG
                            gapworks
                            last edited by

                            @ michel, sorry for so much trouble, but if i replace it with syphon to video it only gives me the option to send it to stage1. is there a way you send me your syphon receiver plugin or tell me where to find it?

                            best
                            p.

                            6ab1af-screen-shot-2015-06-29-at-09.24.29.png

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                            • MichelM
                              Michel Izzy Guru
                              last edited by

                              @gapworks

                              well as written in a post above you have to activate and show all of your 6 stages for it to work, otherwise they will not show up.

                              Best Michel

                              Michel Weber | www.filmprojekt.ch | rMBP (2019) i9, 16gig, AMD 5500M 8 GB, OS X 10.15 | located in Winterthur Switzerland.

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                              • gapworksG
                                gapworks
                                last edited by

                                @michel i made it so far 🙂 it works at least. in a previous post you mentioned "...you need to activate all 6 stages and send the first 5 via syphon to stage 6."

                                i activated all 6 but have only 5 available in the drop down menu. so i can't send to stage 6\. and the framerate drops to about 8fps and isadora crashed twice. :(. i attached all my screenshot and my file.
                                best
                                peter

                                6f1355-fps.png 15bbb8-stagedropdown.png 9bfeb9-preferences.png eca494-text-flip5linessyphon6.izz

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                                • MichelM
                                  Michel Izzy Guru
                                  last edited by

                                  @gapworks

                                  You don't need to have all 6 stages in the syphon to video actor 1-5 is fine. The multi mix goes into the projector and the projector has to be set to stage 6.
                                  This patch is all based an cpu actors so this is quite a big task, 1 line is fine with hd but 5 lines means 5x more impact, you have to lower your resolution the one I have tested works fine with a good frame rate is 640x360 though you loose quality. If you set it higher the possiblity for a crash is quite high.

                                  But you really have to go through the settings and see what works best for you.

                                  Best Michel
                                  b40c90-bildschirmfoto-2015-06-29-um-17.12.58.png

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                                  • gapworksG
                                    gapworks
                                    last edited by

                                    @ at all you guys that supported me in this project! a big thank you! 

                                    Attached you find the final look ( a 3liner was the only possibility, due to dropping  frame rate)  i added some little stuff to color the letters and backgrounds if needed and extended the lines to 9 letters. the only thing that bothers a little is the frame rate 😞 it drops down to about 10 FPS the moment i go from force stage preview to output on my external monitor. But maybe there is still a way to optimise the performance still.  
                                    @michel. when i send stages 1-3 on display 3 like in your example above,  the framerate is better but the quality gets horrible. I need to send them to display2
                                    best
                                    p.

                                    9e765d-billboard2.zip

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                                    • MichelM
                                      Michel Izzy Guru
                                      last edited by

                                      @gapworks

                                      Looks great. In future this will sure be possible with gpu actors.

                                      Best Michel

                                      Michel Weber | www.filmprojekt.ch | rMBP (2019) i9, 16gig, AMD 5500M 8 GB, OS X 10.15 | located in Winterthur Switzerland.

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                                      • gapworksG
                                        gapworks
                                        last edited by

                                        I wish future was yesterday 🙂 glad you like it! and again. And not only for this project. All the ideas, solutions and your knowledge ( from all of you)  took me a huge step further for upcoming projects...

                                        best
                                        p.

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                                        • markM
                                          mark
                                          last edited by

                                          Dear @Michel,

                                          Thank you for spending so much time with this while I was otherwise occupied. Your efforts are much appreciated by many, and not the least by me.
                                          Sincerely,
                                          Mark

                                          Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                                          Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                                          • MichelM
                                            Michel Izzy Guru
                                            last edited by

                                            @Mark you are very welcome, looking at your patches let me learn more and more 😉

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